Muslims Alarmed as Germany Plans Islamist Database

Mark Trevelyan, Security Correspondent

July 8, 2004

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany said Thursday it would create a central database on suspected radical Islamists, provoking concern from the country's large Muslim community.

Interior Minister Otto Schily also announced plans to boost the fight against terrorism by pooling intelligence from the three national security agencies in a new joint analysis center.

The moves, announced after two days of talks between Schily and interior ministers from the 16 states or 'Laender', are designed to strengthen Germany's defenses against terrorism by making its complex security structure work more efficiently.

Germany has stepped up its guard against radical Islamists since 2001, when three of the suicide hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States turned out to be Arab students from Hamburg.

Authorities are investigating about 150 cases involving alleged Islamic militants, and have conducted several prominent trials.

But a Muslim leader, reacting to news of the database, said innocent Muslims risked falling under suspicion unless the term 'Islamist' was properly defined.

All of the Muslims are suffering from abuse.

004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you.

047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks [behead them]

That is mental abuse. It's not right!

019.083 Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?  Seest thou not?  that it is the Muslims who are the ones being incited with fury?

"When you speak about Islamism, you have to clarify what you mean by it. We are concerned that every Muslim could fall under this catch-all term, which is unacceptable," said Nadeem Elyas, chairman of the Central Council of Muslims in Germany.

"We're worried that people may be caught up arbitrarily who have nothing to do with terrorism. By arbitrarily, I mean at the discretion of officials or authorities, which would be a violation of data protection rules."

The allah of the Koran [which is the very heart of Islam] makes himself perfectly clear. He repetitiously demands that his followers slay the 'infidels'.  Let 'allah' speak for himself...as he has authority above any thing any Muslim has to say.

Because the Muslims who are claiming that they would not take part in terrorism...are the 'lesser' servants of their 'allah'.  He says so} 004.095

A spokesman for the federal data protection commissioner said it was important to establish clear rules on who could enter or view data on suspects, and how long entries would be held in the system.

Because of its historic experience of Nazi and Communist dictatorship, Germany has strict rules on data protection and on separating the functions of the police and the intelligence services.

With its federal structure, it also has more than 30 bodies responsible for security -- a federal crime office and two spy agencies, plus police and domestic intelligence services in every state.

To avoid duplication and the risk of vital information falling between the cracks, Schily last month proposed bringing the state services under the direct control of their federal equivalents. But the idea has been vigorously resisted by interior ministers in the 16 Laender.

The national police union said it was baffling to ordinary Germans why such questions were still being ponderously thrashed out nearly three years after Sept. 11. "One can only hope that international terrorism will show due consideration for German thoroughness," it said in a statement.

The world has a decision to make here.  Separate the religions...or deal with a blood-bath.  Because there are always going to be those Muslims...who want to be the 'greater', not the 'lessor' servants of their 'allah'. 004.095

These are the facts and the 'moderate' Muslims are not willing to admit to them.  Let their own 'allah' speak...robbing them of any argument....so that the world can get down to the business of facing the Truth.  Peoples lives are at stake.  So is freedom.

Where is the ACLU on this one?

The ACLU says the Patriot Act is threatening the ability of America's non-profit charities to do their essential work by requiring them to check their employees against a "black list" in order to receive donations from a government-run charitable program. In a letter to the head of the program, the ACLU said it will reject an anticipated $500,000 in funds. "In this climate of fear and intimidation, we will act not only on our behalf, but on behalf of our nation's non-profits, to defend ourselves against John Ashcroft and a government that tramples on the Constitution in the name of national security," ACLU Chief Anthony Romero said.

Which issue is more serious?

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,  nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. <--That is violent religious discrimination.  It is mental cruelty to Muslims, brainwashing them into committing violence towards non-Muslims.

009.005 When the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).   

002.191 Slay them wherever ye catch them

005.033 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger

[who commands.... when they ''go abroad'' 004.094} 

take no prisoners until "after they subdue the land'' 008.067}

which actually....is a command to "wage war"]

is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet

I ask the American Civil Liberties Union} Who is trampling the United States Constitution more so?

Where is their wisdom to know the difference? and do they really care?

If not? Then let the U.S. government send them packing to live under some other constitution!